Chat Transcript, Thursday, February 12, 2009, 3:30 PM EST
2009-02-12 15:30:52 |
Kris at ONS |
Welcome to the ONS Hot Topic Chats! Today’s expert is Mary Pat Lynch, who will be talking with us about any and all questions you have regarding targeted therapies. Welcome Mary Pat! |
2009-02-12 15:31:29 |
marypatlynch |
Hello everyone! Please send your questions on targeted therapy. |
2009-02-12 15:32:13 |
marypatlynch |
What type of settings are you working in? |
2009-02-12 15:35:15 |
marypatlynch |
Targeted therapies are general terms that refer to medications that target a specific pathway in the growth or development of a tumor. |
2009-02-12 15:35:49 |
maryg |
I'm curious if Mylotarg typically causes nausea and vomiting. |
2009-02-12 15:36:21 |
marypatlynch |
There are many types of targeted therapies. Tyrosine kinase inhibitors, angiogenesis inhibitors, proteasome inhibitors and immunotherapy, to name a few. |
2009-02-12 15:37:27 |
tparks |
What is everyone doing for rash management - are you treating prophylactically or waiting until symptoms appear? |
2009-02-12 15:37:30 |
marypatlynch |
Mylotarg - nausea is common affecting almost 70% of patients. |
2009-02-12 15:37:49 |
marypatlynch |
Has that been your experience in treating patients with Mylotarg? |
2009-02-12 15:38:10 |
maryg |
I have given it 5 or 6 times and it has only been the last patient that has experience this. |
2009-02-12 15:38:44 |
maryg |
She sailed through ARA-C etc. with no N&V and now she is just miserable. |
2009-02-12 15:39:10 |
maryg |
Nothing seems to help her nausea. |
2009-02-12 15:39:19 |
marypatlynch |
Rash management is the hot topic! I'd like to hear what others are doing. In our practice, we treat prophylactically with hypoallergenic moisturizer that does not contain alcohol, sun avoidance or sun screen, then start topical hydrocortisone 1% if erythema develops. |
2009-02-12 15:40:04 |
marypatlynch |
If they get pustules, we then use topical clindamycin lotion and add oral antibiotics such as doxycycline if it is severe. |
2009-02-12 15:40:42 |
marypatlynch |
re nausea/Mylotarg: I wonder if it’s a cumulative effect as this is second line chemo. What have you tried? |
2009-02-12 15:41:57 |
Kris at ONS |
Have you heard about using oatmeal for the rash? |
2009-02-12 15:42:25 |
tparks |
How do you use oatmeal? |
2009-02-12 15:43:15 |
marypatlynch |
I have heard that topical oatmeal can be helpful, especially in some of the online patient forums. It seems to provide comfort for some people. But the drug company recommends good prophylactic skin care and then use of steroid creams and antibiotics if needed. The rash can be very distressing for some people. |
2009-02-12 15:43:29 |
marypatlynch |
The oatmeal is used as a topical agent, over the skin. |
2009-02-12 15:44:08 |
tparks |
Do you mix it up as usual and put on the skin or bathe in it or what? |
2009-02-12 15:44:24 |
marypatlynch |
Some of the over the counter lotions such as Aveeno contain oatmeal, others use regular oatmeal moistened into a paste an put on the skin. There are oatmeal baths as well. |
2009-02-12 15:46:28 |
marypatlynch |
Has anyone used different products for the rash that have been successful? |
2009-02-12 15:46:38 |
tparks |
Have you tried the new Sancuso patch for the nausea? |
2009-02-12 15:47:03 |
lisa |
Remember that the rash is an inflammatory response and the skin needs to be kept moist. Being proactive by making sure the patient takes the medication on an empty stomach, uses an emollient cream and sun screen are helpful. |
2009-02-12 15:47:29 |
marypatlynch |
RE: Sancuso: No, I haven't used it, have you had success with it? |
2009-02-12 15:48:02 |
tparks |
RE: Sancuso:We haven't had much success in obtaining it for patients due to cost/insurance issues. |
2009-02-12 15:50:03 |
marypatlynch |
Lisa, re:inflammatory nature of rash: good point, we have seen the best results with those patients who really follow the prophylactic management. There are studies that show that those patients who get a skin reaction have a better response to the drug, so it’s important to try to keep them on it. It’s believed to be a inflammatory response due to the EGFR inhibition in skin tissue. |
2009-02-12 15:51:49 |
marypatlynch |
The Sancuso patch is a five day granisetron patch, just approved in Sept of 08 for CINV, a seratonin antagonist. My guess is that it is new and that’s why you’re having problems with insurance coverage. |
2009-02-12 15:55:41 |
tparks |
Yes I'm sure you are right about that. It is for a select group of patients I think and quite expensive, but in a patient who has failed other therapies it would certainly be worth a try if one could obtain it. Just wondering if it might benefit the Myelotarg patient. |
2009-02-12 15:56:19 |
marypatlynch |
Regarding the rash, it’s important that patients not use OTC acne preparations even though it can be an acniform rash, they can really dry out the skin. |
2009-02-12 15:57:42 |
marypatlynch |
tparks, re: Sancuso for the N/V refractory pt: good point. it might be worth a call to the company to see if there are any patient assistance programs available. It is recommended for moderately and/or highly nausea –inducing chemo, so it might be helpful for the Mylotarg patient, if they have tried everything else. Thanks for the idea. |
2009-02-12 15:59:49 |
marypatlynch |
Regarding skin rashes, there are two good references that I found to be useful, one in in the Forum, issue 1, 2008 by Karen Oishi and one in the April, 2008 issue of CJON by Beth Eaby et al. |
2009-02-12 16:01:14 |
marypatlynch |
What type of practice settings are you in? |
2009-02-12 16:02:34 |
marypatlynch |
Last night we had some questions on compliance and disposal of oral drugs. Is that an issue for anyone? |
2009-02-12 16:03:22 |
ghrn2004 |
Our safe handling includes disposing of chemo drugs in a chemo-approved bin. |
2009-02-12 16:04:09 |
marypatlynch |
What do you recommend to patients who are on oral drugs at home? Do they bring the unused drugs into the office for disposal? |
2009-02-12 16:04:59 |
ghrn2004 |
Yes, in a plastic bag. we also supply nitrile gloves and instruct people to double glove. |
2009-02-12 16:05:53 |
marypatlynch |
Great, that is what most people recommend. Compliance is also a real issue that many people are struggling with, how to document and ensure that patients are taking the drugs correctly. |
2009-02-12 16:06:34 |
ghrn2004 |
I'm inpatient, so most of our patients are compliant with |
2009-02-12 16:06:37 |
ghrn2004 |
IV |
2009-02-12 16:06:43 |
ghrn2004 |
LOL |
2009-02-12 16:06:53 |
marypatlynch |
True, that's easier! |
2009-02-12 16:08:02 |
marypatlynch |
There are new patient safety standards being developed by ONS and ASCO that will be available for outpatient settings, they are up for public comment right now, prior to final approval. You can access them off the ONS website main page right now. |
2009-02-12 16:08:41 |
ghrn2004 |
Any recommendations on disposing of waste from peritoneal chemo? |
2009-02-12 16:09:20 |
marypatlynch |
I would think it is the same as disposal of any other chemo waste, according to the safe handling guidelines. |
2009-02-12 16:10:13 |
ghrn2004 |
We are just beginning to explore it, and we were concerned about the relatively huge amount of fluid. |
2009-02-12 16:11:13 |
marypatlynch |
They recommend that you handle urinary /peritoneal drainage as contaminated body fluid, wearing a gown, glove and face shield. Dispose of all materials used as hazardous waste. |
2009-02-12 16:11:34 |
ghrn2004 |
thanks |
2009-02-12 16:13:24 |
ghrn2004 |
We were discussing Mylotarg earlier-does anyone else keep Mylotarg infusions separate from transfusions by at least 24 hours? |
2009-02-12 16:15:17 |
marypatlynch |
What is the rationale? to minimize hypersensitivity reaction? |
2009-02-12 16:16:54 |
ghrn2004 |
yes-we had two patients die after receiving Mylotarg and platelets within the same 24 hour period. Our docs, pharmD, and RNs wrote a case study in a pharm journal, but I have been unable to find any larger studies. |
2009-02-12 16:18:46 |
marypatlynch |
Wow, I haven't seen that and didn't see anything in my references about a combination of Mylotarg and transfusion risk. Were the patients seriously ill prior to the infusions? |
2009-02-12 16:19:54 |
ghrn2004 |
Not at all- both had received Mylotarg and platelets before, simply not within the same 24 hour period. |
2009-02-12 16:21:00 |
marypatlynch |
Interesting. There is a high risk of hypersensitivity reaction and of tumor lysis syndrome with Mylotarg, I wonder if that played a part. Has anyone else seen this? |
2009-02-12 16:24:46 |
Kris at ONS |
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2009-02-12 16:28:26 |
marypatlynch |
Thanks for coming! Have a good day! |
2009-02-12 16:28:34 |
ghrn2004 |
thank you |