Chat Transcript, Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 9:00 AM EST
2009-02-17 09:05:24 |
Laurl at ONS |
Welcome to the ONS Hot Topic Chats! Today’s expert is Mary Pat Lynch, who will be talking with us about any and all questions you have regarding targeted therapies. Welcome Mary Pat! |
2009-02-17 09:05:59 |
marypatlynch |
Welcome everyone. Where are you from? |
2009-02-17 09:06:17 |
desphippsrn |
Louisville, KY |
2009-02-17 09:06:26 |
Kellie |
Albert Lea, MN |
2009-02-17 09:06:51 |
marypatlynch |
Well, good morning, you are both up early! I'm in Philadelphia and its a cold morning here! |
2009-02-17 09:07:14 |
lkrioux |
Charlotte, NC which I understand is important when you consider IGE antibodies |
2009-02-17 09:07:25 |
marypatlynch |
We're talking about targeted therapies, does anyone have any questions? |
2009-02-17 09:07:41 |
marypatlynch |
Good point! |
2009-02-17 09:08:37 |
marypatlynch |
You are referring to all the companies that make these drugs, which are in NC, right? |
2009-02-17 09:09:41 |
marypatlynch |
Targeted therapies differ from traditional chemotherapies in that targeted therapies use drugs that that block the growth and spread of cancer. |
2009-02-17 09:10:28 |
marypatlynch |
By focusing on molecular and cellular changes that are specific to the cancer, targeted therapies may be more effective than chemotherapy and less harmful to normal cells. |
2009-02-17 09:10:39 |
desphippsrn |
I have a question about HSR in cetuximab |
2009-02-17 09:11:16 |
marypatlynch |
Do you have a specific question? |
2009-02-17 09:11:48 |
desphippsrn |
We seem to have a lot of HSR (hypersensitivity reaction) in my area. I was wondering if others have this as well and what the management protocol should contain. |
2009-02-17 09:13:16 |
marypatlynch |
We do see some reactions. Literature says 20-25% of patients will have an infusion reaction. We usually premed with benadryl. |
2009-02-17 09:13:22 |
lkrioux |
I have heard that cetuximab patients that have IGE antibodies (especially in areas like ours: TN, AR, KY, and NC) may be more prone to anaphylaxis and they need to be loaded with Benadryl up front. |
2009-02-17 09:13:51 |
desphippsrn |
We use Benadryl 50 mg IV but still have HSR. |
2009-02-17 09:14:29 |
marypatlynch |
Literature says if a mild or moderate infusion reaction occurs (grade I or II) reduce dose by 50% immediately and permanently. If more severe reaction occurs, discontinue the drug. |
2009-02-17 09:15:11 |
lkrioux |
We use Benadryl 50 mg also. We don't seem to have too many reactions, but we are certainly looking for them and will re-treat if necessary. |
2009-02-17 09:15:27 |
marypatlynch |
Regarding IgE, Interesting, I had not heard of a geographic pattern like that. |
2009-02-17 09:15:44 |
desphippsrn |
We have learned of a facility that uses Benadryl, hydrocortisone and albuterol as premeds… |
2009-02-17 09:15:45 |
Kellie |
We pre-treat with Benadryl have have very few reactions. |
2009-02-17 09:16:11 |
desphippsrn |
…then gives 100mg of drug. If no HSR then remainder is given. |
2009-02-17 09:16:48 |
marypatlynch |
So Kellie is from MN and she doesn't see as many reactions, similar to us in PA. |
2009-02-17 09:17:33 |
Kellie |
How are you treating grade 1 or 2 skin reactions? |
2009-02-17 09:18:00 |
marypatlynch |
Patients should be observed for an hour after each treatment and longer if they experience an infusion reaction. |
2009-02-17 09:18:19 |
lkrioux |
Re: skin: Moisturize! Moisturize! |
2009-02-17 09:18:23 |
desphippsrn |
re: observation: is that with every dose or just first dose? |
2009-02-17 09:18:27 |
marypatlynch |
Re: skin reactions, we have had a lot of discussion on that topic in previous chats. |
2009-02-17 09:19:41 |
lkrioux |
I have heard several things regarding skin care: use head and shoulders as body wash, take 3 flax seed/day, rub olive oil on skin. Anyone else heard these remedies for Grade 1 & 2? |
2009-02-17 09:20:06 |
marypatlynch |
Re: skin: We usually start with hypoallergenic moisturizer at the start of treatment, sun avoidance or sun screen. At first sign of erythema we add a topical hydrocortisone 1%, then add topical clindamycin if pustules develop. |
2009-02-17 09:21:04 |
marypatlynch |
Regarding observation for infusion reaction - that is for the first dose as long as they don't have a reaction, if they do, then observation with each dose. |
2009-02-17 09:21:20 |
cjordanoncrn |
What are some good references for guidelines to assessment and management of skin toxicity related to various targeted therapies? |
2009-02-17 09:21:21 |
lkrioux |
Genentech puts out an algorithm for EGFR-related rash. |
2009-02-17 09:21:28 |
cjordanoncrn |
Great! |
2009-02-17 09:21:58 |
cjordanoncrn |
Are there guidelines that cover all targeted therapy related skin toxicity? |
2009-02-17 09:22:04 |
marypatlynch |
Regarding remedies for Grade 1 and 2 - there is a lot of discussion on this topic, especially on patient oriented websites. We usually go with a good hypoallergenic moisturizer. |
2009-02-17 09:22:46 |
lkrioux |
re: Genentech algorithm : the algorithm has not been evaluated in any prospective studies however. |
2009-02-17 09:23:38 |
lkrioux |
We have also recommended Dove body wash that has mild exfoliating properties to help with the dry, itchy skin. |
2009-02-17 09:23:48 |
marypatlynch |
There are two good articles that I like: Beth Eaby's article in CJON April 08 issue on managing skin reaction associated with EGFR receptor inhibitors.. |
2009-02-17 09:24:55 |
marypatlynch |
second article - Karen Oishi's article in Forum first issue 2008 on clinical approaches to minimize rash associated with EGFR inhibitors |
2009-02-17 09:25:04 |
cjordanoncrn |
Sorry to barge in. feel free to continue to explore the prior question prior to answering mine:) Thanks for the references too! |
2009-02-17 09:26:37 |
desphippsrn |
We also use doxycycline 100mng BID × 10 days |
2009-02-17 09:26:44 |
marypatlynch |
It’s good to use articles that have done some evaluation analysis, like the ones I mentioned, Eaby's article has a proposed algorithm in it. |
2009-02-17 09:27:17 |
cjordanoncrn |
Thanks for the advice regarding use of articles. |
2009-02-17 09:27:19 |
marypatlynch |
Yes, once the rash has become severe we add doxycycline oral as well. |
2009-02-17 09:28:53 |
cjordanoncrn |
Will the text of this chat be available once the chat is complete? |
2009-02-17 09:29:14 |
cjordanoncrn |
I came in a few minutes late and probably missed some things. |
2009-02-17 09:29:48 |
marypatlynch |
How do you manage compliance with the oral drugs? This has been a topic of discussion in previous chats. |
2009-02-17 09:30:09 |
Laurl at ONS |
Yes, the transcripts are usually posted a day or two after the chat happens, back on the Hot Topics webpage via the ONS web page. Please feel free to print and pass around - We have heard that the transcripts have been useful for discussion purposes after the chats are over. |
2009-02-17 09:31:45 |
marypatlynch |
Regarding rash, although it can be an acne-like rash, it’s important that patients not use OTC ( over the counter) acne preparations as they can be severely drying to the skin. |
2009-02-17 09:33:37 |
knooptj |
Back to the IgE issue with cetiximab. We also have a higher than normal severe HSR rate here in Nashville. Here are a couple of good articles related to the problem and management of the problem. Chung C, Oncologist June 2008 and Chung C et al NEJM March 20 |
2009-02-17 09:34:35 |
lkrioux |
Thank you for the article reference knooptj |
2009-02-17 09:34:49 |
Laurl at ONS |
Great references - thank you. |
2009-02-17 09:34:58 |
marypatlynch |
Many targeted therapies work by focusing on proteins that are involved in the signaling process. By blocking the signals that tell cancer cells to grow and divide uncontrollably, targeted cancer therapies can stop the growth and division of cancer cells. |
2009-02-17 09:35:38 |
marypatlynch |
Thanks for the references, very interesting topic. Is there any hypothesis about why the IGE levels are higher in those areas? |
2009-02-17 09:36:20 |
marypatlynch |
Depending upon the proteins involved and growth factors involved, the side effects of these targeted therapies may be different. |
2009-02-17 09:36:24 |
lkrioux |
I know some have speculated that a skin reaction can be predictive of response with these agents, is there any evidence that this is true? |
2009-02-17 09:37:58 |
marypatlynch |
Good question, there have been studies which show that a skin reaction is predictive of response, this is believed to be due to an inflammatory response as a result of EGFR inhibition in skin tissue. |
2009-02-17 09:38:43 |
marypatlynch |
It’s also helpful to let patients who are dealing with this uncomfortable side effect know that this may mean that the drug is working. |
2009-02-17 09:39:08 |
knooptj |
IgE antibodies against galactosealpha 1, 3 galactose were found in the serum prior to… |
2009-02-17 09:39:12 |
lkrioux |
The person that presented the IGE theory did not give rationale. Maybe it's the Cherry Blossoms. smile. |
2009-02-17 09:40:40 |
marypatlynch |
Maybe :-) |
2009-02-17 09:41:45 |
lkrioux |
I'm afraid I have to step out for a meeting. Great discussion. I can't wait to read the transcript. |
2009-02-17 09:44:30 |
knooptj |
Sorry I cut off my answer. …prior to the infusion of cetuximab. galactose alpha 1, 3 galactose is a molecule found in cetuximab, but obviously pts were exposed and developed these antibodies prior to cetux, thus having severe reactions to that first dose of cetux. I don't think anyone is yet sure of what the prior exposure is related to. Not many cherry blossoms in TN, but who knows?? :) |
2009-02-17 09:45:16 |
desphippsrn |
few cherry blossoms here in KY, but LOTS of reactions. |
2009-02-17 09:45:36 |
marypatlynch |
There is an article in the March 2008 NEJM regarding hypersensitivity reactions to Erbitux associated with the IgE antibodies to galactose alpha 1,3 galactose, its a sugar chain, there were higher rates and clusters in several SE states. |
2009-02-17 09:47:00 |
marypatlynch |
JCO 2007 found grades III and IV hypersensitivity reaction to Erbitux in TN, NC. |
2009-02-17 09:47:02 |
desphippsrn |
We see more HSR in our head and neck patients |
2009-02-17 09:47:07 |
knooptj |
I believe an assay is being developed to determine which pts may have prior exposure to galactose alpha 1,3 galactose which could make them a higher risk for severe HSRs with cetuximab. |
2009-02-17 09:48:23 |
marypatlynch |
According to these articles, the regional differences are not clear but they are looking into it, there are a lot of hypotheses including things like exposure to ticks. |
2009-02-17 09:48:33 |
desphippsrn |
interesting |
2009-02-17 09:51:41 |
marypatlynch |
re; head and neck patients, it may be that you are seeing more hypersensitivity reactions in those patients because they are already compromised with airway and skin issues |
2009-02-17 09:52:09 |
desphippsrn |
so very true |
2009-02-17 09:52:19 |
marypatlynch |
What other side effects from targeted therapies are you seeing? |
2009-02-17 09:54:14 |
Laurl at ONS |
Mary Pat, any tips on improving compliance especially related to oral chemo? |
2009-02-17 09:55:18 |
marypatlynch |
This is a hot topic, there are some really good references posted at the bottom of the transcript from the first chat that give information on safety and compliance with oral drugs. lots of sites are developing guidelines for this issue. |
2009-02-17 09:57:52 |
desphippsrn |
Many thanks to all. Must run. Will catch conclusion on the transcript. |
2009-02-17 09:58:23 |
Laurl at ONS |
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2009-02-17 09:58:47 |
Laurl at ONS |
Any other last minute questions? |
2009-02-17 10:03:05 |
marypatlynch |
Thanks everyone, have a good day! |
2009-02-17 10:03:35 |
Laurl at ONS |
Well, it looks like we are about out of time! Many thanks for a great discussion. This transcript will be posted tomorrow. Please check back for future topics and dates - |
2009-02-17 10:03:48 |
Laurl at ONS |
If you have a topic you'd like to see covered in future chats, please let me know! |